Proposal request Dr Bart van de Ven

Proposal request Dr Bart van de Ven

Due to a big work overload and the fact Dr Bart van de Ven has to look at all pictures himself and give his professional opinion personally, we decided to ask a fee of 50 euro for a proposal (through Paypal, you don’t need a Paypal account to be able to pay with Paypal, just a credit card). Like that we hope to be able to make a good proposal for all that are really interested in having FFS with Dr Bart van de Ven. The fees are fully donated to the charity organisation of Dr Bart van de Ven. With this money Dr Bart van de Ven can operate children with a cleft lip in Africa.

The costs for Facial Feminization Surgery will depend on the combination of FFS procedures performed and the surgery duration.

Three steps for an FFS proposal

1. Make good digital pictures

To get your quote and simulation, we need the following 5 pictures:

Some important caveats for the pictures:

  • Neutral background—Choose a neutral background. Best is a closed door in a well-lit room.
  • Hair tight—Make sure your hair is not covering any part of your face.
  • Make-up—Try to avoid a heavy make-up so Dr Bart van de Ven can make a good assessment of your natural facial features. Light make-up is no problem.
  • Facial hair—If you are still bothered by facial hair, it is best to remove it before you make the pictures. With facial hair, a good simulation of results is not possible.
  • Do not look upwards—Make sure the eye-ear plane is perfectly horizontal. This means we need the top edge of your tragus (middle part of the ear) to be in line with the lower part of your eye socket, as demonstrated in these examples. This can be achieved by pretending you have a pile of books stacked on top of your head.

    People have a natural tendency to look upwards when making a picture. To look straight, imagine you have a pile of books on your head when someone makes a picture of you.



  • Take your pictures close enough—It is important your face constitutes at least 80% of the picture, if not the resolution is too low to judge properly.
  • Do not make selfies—The angles are always distorted when you make selfies. Ask a friend or family member to make the pictures for you.

    No selfies: ask someone to make your pictures.

2. Fill in the proposal form

Fill in the proposal form and attach your pictures to the form (you can send the pictures in an email to us if that is easier for you, we need you to still fill in the rest of the form then).

3. Pay a fee of 50 euro with Paypal (redirected after step 2)

After submission of the form you will be automatically redirected to the Paypal site. You don’t need a Paypal account to be able to pay with Paypal.

You will receive your proposal within 10 working days.


More than 6 months ago I received a proposal from you which has now expired. Do you want me to send new pictures?

As we try to improve our techniques all the time we would like to make a new proposal. Ideally this is done during a consultation in person. If this is not possible, please send your pictures as explained in, preferably without make-up.

Do I need a Paypal account to be able to pay with Paypal?

You don’t need a Paypal account to be able to pay with Paypal. Just click on the bottom link below the Paypal window saying “Pay with Debit or Credit Card” (see screenshot below).

Will it be possible to make a professional proposal based on pictures of the face only?

We prefer a face to face consultation if reasonably possible. Being able to touch the face is better for analysing a face. In most cases though good pictures as described in will give the doctor enough information to make a professional proposal. If necessary the proposal can be slightly adjusted the day before surgery during the preoperative consultation.

You still have another question? Feel free to ask! We will answer your question and if generally applicable add it to the FAQ of this page.

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